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here is our interview with george howard

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this subject is something that that

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michael parker my producer has dug into

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in fact he's interviewed graham hancock

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before um and i saw that hancock had a

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big thing on rogan i didn't get to see

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that um but i'm gonna make sure i'm

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pronouncing it correctly the younger

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as i looked into it i think the angle

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that i'm most interested in is

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this just idea in general of cosmic

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impacts yeah um and it being your

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position that we have underestimated the

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number of these

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um and therefore i guess underestimated

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the likelihood of another one

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so walk me through what you see is the

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disagreement right now in the in the

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scientific community about the number of

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times we've been

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we've had a cosmic impact no that's an

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excellent question and we do believe

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they've been far more frequent in the

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past and they're hints all over

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mythology and geology and whatnot that

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there are more impacts out there than

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been willing to acknowledge and the

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reason for that is

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most of our impact estimates are done

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from asteroids

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right and they dismiss comets because

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comets are fairly rare

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and right what's the difference between

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what's the energy in an asteroid and a

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co and a comet

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yeah um that's become increasingly fuzzy

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for the years it's it's kind of a

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range you know but at the either end of

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the range

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uh a comet's um

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made of more of a frozen material and

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frozen gas is interspersed with rocky

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type stuff as far as we know you know we

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haven't been able to investigate them as

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closely as we should and then they're

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sublimating they call it as they come

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into a solar orbit and settle in as they

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get closer to the sun

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they burn off and can eventually become

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much more asteroid-like

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so some asteroids were never comets but

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many asteroids were at one time and all

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comets can become an asteroid over time

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as they burn off and leave away the

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gaseous

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material in the the frozen stuff so they

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used to refer to them as dirty snowballs

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but they're probably a lot dirtier than

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we appreciate

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but comets also fragment when they're

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going around the sun and when they come

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in particularly when they're having a

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first visit

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and we didn't appreciate that years ago

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most the impact estimates are done in

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fact all the impact estimates by nasa

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are done based off the idea that there's

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a single point in space that is a common

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right they don't account for the fact

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that when the comet is fragmenting which

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turns out to be very very common we've

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seen it several times just in our

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lifetimes that that fragmentation takes

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the form of more like a shotgun spray

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right so they're doing the impact

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estimates off of one point in space and

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don't appreciate the fact that there can

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be a a spray of material left over from

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the comet

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some of it hard and dense

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that can um result in impacts you know

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literally over a series of days and and

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we see the same phenomena in meteor

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showers right

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comets generally much bigger than

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yeah there's one coming at us now that i

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think would be larger than most any

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asteroid they call it bb it's got a hard

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to pronounce name but there's a i think

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it's 100 kilometers wide it's not coming

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at us but it's coming into the solar

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system for its first trip

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and and what's the origin of asteroids

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comets how did they start cruising

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around the the universe to begin with

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yeah at some point either in our own

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solar system in terms of the asteroids

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in the outer solar system that is

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probably the result of uh some type of

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impact between two large bodies within

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over time in other words something

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happened here and left a bunch of rocks

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circling around

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right then comets have been ejected at

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some point from other bodies or other

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bodies colliding out in interstellar

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right and come in um both that way and

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from what they call the fort cloud

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earth sun distance you know

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far far out in space there's a large

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of basically snowballs

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you know interspersed with with rocky

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that becomes destabilized at times and

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it has a natural instability to it and

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the oort cloud can feed comets kind of

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randomly into the solar system

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and so bottom line we got things inside

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the solar system and outside the solar

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system to be concerned about

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that's exactly right and they can come

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so so the one that everybody seems to

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talk most about is whatever the asteroid

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or comet you tell me that impacted the

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earth that led to the extinction of the

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dinosaurs that's the one that everybody

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seems to be aware of and that's right i

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is that commonly accepted it is commonly

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accepted and that gives us a lot of hope

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with the the comet research team which

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we call our research group that we're

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going through kind of the same paradigm

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shift that occurred when people accepted

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the um dinosaur impact in the 80s and

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early 90s it's very very almost spookily

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similar um scientific debate which is

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very very heated right

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unfortunately we don't have to know a

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nobel prize winner leading our research

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team as they did with alvarez senior at

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the time so they had a you know a

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a nobel winner was actually leading that

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effort so that brought a lot more

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attention to it

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and it was also easier for people to

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accept that something so cataclysmic um

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could have happened in the distant past

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because it separated us

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and there's long been a break between

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two paradigms of geology

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between catastrophism and uh

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uniformitarianism which is kind of

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believing that everything that that we

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see all earth changes uh are occurring

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today and are just enhanced uh erosion

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right enhanced wind features etc that

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have occurred over great amounts of time

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and they've left the earth that we see

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today well 200 years ago and many people

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today and include in our group believe

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that that's absolutely true that most of

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the features we see are caused by

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geological processes underway today but

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it's also um interrupted at time with

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catastrophic changes sudden changes

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and our event would have happened um

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only twelve thousand eight hundred and

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eighty or so years ago probably in june

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3500 times more distant in time

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so it's good to keep that timeline in uh

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in mind it's almost like if you were at

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the dinosaur comet impact and me here on

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younger driest event

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um or i'm at the current time

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the younger dross event would only be

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about a mile from me

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right and the the dinosaur event would

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have been 3500 miles it's a lot easier

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others are you know major

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hundreds or i think about 175 major

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impacts but all of them date to

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you know generally more than a million

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years old although there's certainly

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some obsessions meteor crater in arizona

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000 years old so that would have been

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seen by humans you know the big

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perfectly shaped bowl crater outside of

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would have been witnessed by humans

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um 55 000 years okay yeah and and and

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uh 300 000 years i believe now they just

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had a some fines in morocco that put us

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so we've witnessed some impact so this

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one 55 000 years ago you're saying that

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one is commonly accepted

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have it you know other than creating a

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big crater on the earth uh what else did

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do they believe yeah it would have had

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asset that did okay so now i can see why

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accepted what what i forgot what you

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said 60 60 million years ago for for the

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that there there's a body of science

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event as a climate change in itself

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and that's well accepted yeah and what

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on that younger driest event we're

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talking about 12 000 bc

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ballpark right yeah or you might have it

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even more specific but you

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um a cosmic impact and

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what does the other side say it was yeah

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they believe for reasons um undescribed

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but that um in essence that there was a

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large influx of fresh water off the

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that broke up in some fashion and

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climate in the north atlantic because it

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shut down the gulf stream that's all

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into the ice sheet and other places in

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the northern hemisphere perhaps in the

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southern hemisphere as well

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uh in fact we've got a paper that

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defines the southern hemispheric impacts

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i shouldn't say perhaps

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but the that we were uh traumatized you

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know over a period of time that may have

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repeated at the same time of year before

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and after for some period of years maybe

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it went on for 100 years that we kept

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encountering a meteor shower that was

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particularly traumatic to earth

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and but during that 12

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80 plus or minus time we had a very very

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bad long weekend

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where we could have had objects that

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would have been crater producing but

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also

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hundreds of objects that would have

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really acted like nuclear bombs without

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the radiation

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all of the effects of of nuclear bombs

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you know from the high heat to the

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pressure waves etc

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uh

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can occur when you have just a 50 to 100

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meter object enter the atmosphere and

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then explode because remember these

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things are coming in

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at um

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kind of solar system speeds you know

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relative speeds between bodies in the

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solar system could be much higher than

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anything we can experience on earth

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so this stuff would come in at 70 or 80

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000 miles an hour so 100 times the speed

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of a rifle bullet

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and

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hits the atmosphere it's almost like

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somebody hitting the water when they

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jump off a bridge they don't hit the

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bottom of the river right they kind of

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explode in the water if you will sorry

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to be graphic there but

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but you hit something more dense and

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that causes a great release of kinetic

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energy and that would result in

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explosions all over the earth

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and and trauma to species

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including the human species

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so yeah i wanted to get to that next

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regardless of what caused

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this younger dryest period

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there's agreement that it that it took

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place

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is is there agreement as to what the

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effects of the younger dryas period was

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do both sides yeah pretty much agree on

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that that's right and the the the really

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the two most mysterious were the

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dissipat uh disappearance of 90

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of the megafauna in north america and

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megafauna are large mammals over uh 40

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kilograms right

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so 250

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species of animals

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went extinct around that time or

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relatively shortly thereafter they all

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crashed in population at that time

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and some of them seemed to have blinked

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out more or less precisely at that time

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and what what's one that we would

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know most about you know there were two

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species of mammoth the woolly mammoth

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and the columbia mammoth you know i've

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got a 11 foot long mammoth tusk over

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here on the wall that

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has been part of the debate uh the giant

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ground sloth which would have been a

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sloth that was you know 15 20 feet high

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uh beavers the size of suburbans

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gigantic armadillos remember all of this

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stuff jim was only 13 000 years ago

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humans walked the earth modern homo

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sapiens in north america and the places

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we lived today

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walked around

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with

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africa savannah on steroids a

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tremendously dangerous place where these

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would have had been very very crafty

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skilled people just to survive in the

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presence of these things but again back

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kind of the african savannah comparison

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you had the american lion the american

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cheetah the american jaguar

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you had horses in north america at the

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time

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uh there was a larger version of our

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current bison called bison antiquis

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and all of this begins or does go

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extinct right at the time of the younger

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drives

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and as i said there's broad agreement on

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that

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just like the climate crash to be a

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mystery

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but mysteries don't endure forever and

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it seems like science has you know

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accepted the fact that this is a mystery

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and

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perhaps we won't ever solve it when in

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2007 we offered evidence that um that

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that impacts were the cause

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and what about what was the impact on

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humans

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yeah that's a great question jim and

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it's got a a interesting and kind of

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mysterious answer the original culture

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of

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paleo-indian culture to inhabit north

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america

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that was considered widespread and

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easily identified through their uh kind

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of unique spear point i usually have one

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with me but i called the clovis point

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and clovis points were found from

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seattle to miami to tierra de fuego so

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there was one common culture of indians

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that produced those points and for many

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many years most of the 20th century that

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was considered the very first indian

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culture and you might have heard the the

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idea that they came over on the bering

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land bridge you know from asia

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and very quickly populated north and

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south america well that's very true that

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sense has been very well challenged and

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people are falling off the idea that

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they were the very first people in north

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and south america right the clovis

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culture was certainly the one that's

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easily identified

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through their uh through their lithics

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through their stone tools

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but we also find older tools now you

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know sometimes reaching back 20 and 30

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000 years and that in itself was a big

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scientific debate but there's really no

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question that there weren't a whole lot

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of those people until the clovis people

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came along but jim then the clovis

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people disappear

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right at the time of the impact and the

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time of the impact is defined by what we

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call the black mat

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i'd be happy to describe that to you

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go ahead yeah the black mat um

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had actually been identified for you

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know decades at archaeological sites and

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paleontological sites where they would

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say digging to find the clovis people

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and to find the earliest north american

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indians right

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or to find the bones and remains of the

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extinct megaphone

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and those researchers noted at the time

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that they generally found them after

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they encountered a thin layer of of

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distinctly darker soil

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oftentimes underlaid by soil for several

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more meters that did not resemble the

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soil above it so you'll have a certain

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character of the soil then you'll have a

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black mat

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and then up until modern times in the

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soil column getting younger younger as

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you move up the soil

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all of that oftentimes will change color

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and character too

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so they would dig down onto the black

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matte and only below the black matte

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and never ever once above

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have they found

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the clovis tools

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or

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most of the megafauna bones particularly

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mammoth and whatnot and how are you

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talking about digging

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um depends on where you are but

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generally only two or three meters you

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know this isn't a a a long time ago from

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a soil sedimentation standpoint

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but that black mat and particularly that

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which is under it which is where we find

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the cosmic materials that provide the

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evidence for the impact

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would have been continent-wide but it

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can only be seen now digging down in

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places that have not eroded since right

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so most of our landscape one way or

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another has been reorganized and eroded

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and whatnot and and probably removed

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that evidence but in a number of places

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particularly those where they've chosen

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to do research they know that the soil

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has continued to accumulate right and if

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you go back to that regularly

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accumulating soil including in like

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caves where the sediment washes into the

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cave and you'll get a very very regular

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pulse of sediment you go back and look

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at that you have the black mat and then

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below the black mat

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is the breath of hell

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right that's where we find our very best

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evidence that there was an impact and

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that's using the very same tools the

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same metrics and the same evidence that

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they used to prove

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the comet dinosaur impact you might

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remember in in those studies that they

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called the kt boundary

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the cretaceous tertiary boundary and you

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can see it in rock right so that was

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sediment at one time 65 million years

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ago it's now formed into rock but you

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actually find a discolored different

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colored band there sometimes maybe it's

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a black band just like the black matte

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and that what the alvarez team started

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doing in 1980

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their uh insight was what is the

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geochemistry

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of that band of rock versus that below

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it and that above it is there anything

518
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special about that and what they

519
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,120
discovered was you know ground shaking

520
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it's totally accepted by science now or

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99 percent there's still a few hold outs

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um

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that because there was such a it was so

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highly enriched with the rare earth

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metal iridium

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which is much more common uh in solar

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materials than it is the earth's crust

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that that in indicated that there was

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some kind of input

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into the sediment at the time which is

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now formed into rock so you find it

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enriched in that iridium

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and you know that something came from

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above at that time that we had some

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interaction with the outside but it

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wasn't a closed system

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so

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physical things now these are very very

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small and you have to use transmission

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00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:28,880
electron microscopes and it's it's

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detailed forensic um

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00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,039
tools are needed but when the the hack

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that we used if you will was to go to

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well-dated archaeological sites

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particularly those where the clovis

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people were noted where you got to the

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black mat and below that you'd find the

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clovis tools and you test that soil

549
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,679
and you find a whole variety of

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00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,080
materials that would not be there unless

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00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,720
there was an incredible conflagration

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you know

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high heat high pressure impact

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and this excuse me and this was debated

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on the joe rogan

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00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,880
show right yeah that's right and rogan's

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00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,679
been a tremendous booster to you know uh

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00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,919
to our hypothesis yeah yeah so so people

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00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,000
can go can go look that up it's graham

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hancock on the on the rogan show i guess

561
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to see that debate um and i guess you

562
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,240
would say that hancock won the debate

563
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,159
hancock did win the debate they actually

564
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:24,400
they've been on him and randall carlson

565
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,520
have done uh probably up to 20 shows now

566
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,120
if you take both of their appearances

567
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,960
separate and together and those have

568
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,480
been some of the most popular rogan

569
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,679
episodes but

570
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,960
joe did a great thing i don't think he's

571
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,480
done it a lot maybe he'll do it more in

572
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,760
the future seeing how much grief he's

573
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,600
taking these days but he did have a

574
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,799
debate

575
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,440
and he had the pro and con sides and he

576
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,520
had one of the researchers on our team

577
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,440
and graham hancock

578
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,159
um on one side and randall carlson so

579
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,080
that was three and then on the other

580
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,000
side he had um

581
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,559
a researcher named mark defont and

582
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,120
michael shermer who you might have come

583
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,880
across you know shurmur who's kind of a

584
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,400
professional skeptic and has his own

585
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,600
podcast and they took the skeptical view

586
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,440
and both of them had been long time

587
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,280
skeptics of our hypothesis said they

588
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,679
debated on rogan jim

589
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,760
and it was a hell of a debate

590
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:15,280
subsequently

591
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,960
both defaunt and shurmur came around

592
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,120
and said on twitter that they had

593
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,799
changed their mind

594
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,880
that some of our additional evidence had

595
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,039
changed their mind and that hasn't made

596
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,720
it on rogan yet but it's one of the most

597
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,400
exciting things that have happened to us

598
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,480
of that type where you had your dug-in

599
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,960
critics who spent hours debating their

600
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,559
their case and how often do you see that

601
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,760
these days you've really got to

602
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,679
appreciate their intellectual integrity

603
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,120
yeah yeah a lot of people don't like to

604
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,120
change opinions today all right

605
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,960
let's stick through a few things i want

606
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,559
to make sure that way i just asked you

607
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,559
um quick questions on

608
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,240
going back to the dinosaurs

609
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,200
what what survived that uh that comment

610
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:56,000
what what species survived

611
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,799
well

612
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,799
fortunately since we're here kind of uh

613
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760
a small rodent very early mammals right

614
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,520
those things that could burrow and live

615
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,280
beneath the ground

616
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,880
uh

617
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,320
survive when you say road are you

618
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,760
talking about rats

619
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,320
yeah yeah yeah maybe more like a mole

620
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,240
you know that so

621
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,240
so moles what you're saying is the moles

622
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,480
we see today were around

623
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,760
when the dinosaurs are here is what

624
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,600
you're saying yeah not the moles we see

625
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,440
today but kind of a species much like

626
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,440
that okay you know small rodent-like

627
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,440
creatures and then they supposedly

628
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,360
evolved into us and you had a great show

629
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,240
on that

630
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:32,880
last week yeah yeah yeah well we can we

631
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,760
can

632
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,280
get into that for a minute if we have

633
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,799
time um

634
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,360
and uh you said some reptiles

635
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,120
yeah that's right the the you know

636
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,720
alligators and crocodiles and that kind

637
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,480
of stuff are essentially dinosaurs that

638
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,679
made it

639
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,280
right and little lizard the little

640
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,960
lizards in our backyards are are

641
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,880
dinosaurs essentially

642
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,960
yeah that's right and and so are the

643
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:54,960
birds right that there's an increasing

644
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,080
connection between uh birds having been

645
00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:00,320
um in one way or another descended from

646
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,120
the

647
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,520
same class of of of creatures that we

648
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,120
call dinosaurs

649
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,559
and all that obviously makes sense as

650
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,320
far as it being a comment explaining why

651
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,159
birds would survive

652
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,159
yeah as opposed to most other things

653
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,400
yeah and and and just like uh the

654
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,320
younger driest event it seemed to

655
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,799
preferentially take out the larger

656
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,880
creatures right because they would have

657
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,120
required more biomass they would have

658
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,320
lost their food source for decades etc

659
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,320
and it seems like those that can

660
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:29,840
struggle through

661
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,880
um have to be kind of smaller in stature

662
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,400
right

663
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,320
um okay and then ticking through some

664
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,400
big events from the past and whether you

665
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,600
think it's comment related or not etc so

666
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:42,559
um

667
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,159
one is is the the biblical flood which

668
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,679
we don't know if that's historical or

669
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,080
not so give us your just quick take on

670
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,559
on the noah's ark flood is is that

671
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,159
historical or not

672
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,840
and if so

673
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,279
a lot of people very appropriately

674
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,440
speculate that the younger driest event

675
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:00,640
would have been the origin of those

676
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,919
flood stories but now according to the

677
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,039
bible they have it pegged around 2500 bc

678
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,200
for the flood yeah right whereas you're

679
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,799
talking about the driest event being 12

680
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,480
000 bc right

681
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,400
that's right but i don't subscribe to

682
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,240
the the younger driest event which is my

683
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,080
subject being the source the biblical

684
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,559
flood i think it was um what was a

685
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:22,480
subsequent impact

686
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,400
roughly uh 6 000 bc or 8 000 years ago

687
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,640
okay so and again i'm just pulling this

688
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,640
stuff off of wikipedia so

689
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,440
as far as what you know biblical

690
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,640
scholars

691
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,880
apparently put the noah's flood around

692
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,960
2500 bc

693
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,679
but

694
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,520
who knows right yeah that's right who

695
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,440
knows um but we've got an interesting

696
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,000
intersection um our same research team

697
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:48,400
and i did myself we went over to

698
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,320
um to jordan in 2014 and 2015 and we

699
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,640
published a paper last year which is now

700
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,760
arguably the most read scientific

701
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,320
publication on earth right now and it'll

702
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:02,080
die away at some point but we published

703
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,960
a paper that said in

704
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,159
1700 bc

705
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,400
uh settlement which was already been dug

706
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,799
over there for the last 15 years called

707
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,279
tal halam may have been the origin of

708
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:15,760
the sodom myth because when you dig into

709
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,559
talhah mom you get down a meter or two

710
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,240
and you find a burn layer where

711
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,760
everything was actually you know

712
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,600
completely destroyed it's just north of

713
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
the dead sea and has a lot of

714
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:26,960
geographical clues that suggest it was

715
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,559
sodom so we actually think um

716
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,240
that there were subsequent impacts the

717
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,840
younger dryas that was certainly the

718
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:36,240
largest and most devastating and globe

719
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,279
changing

720
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,640
but then there were regional to you know

721
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,640
hemispheric events that happen

722
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:44,559
subsequently and you can see that in the

723
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,080
tree ring record right that trees

724
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,440
all over the earth stop growing together

725
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:54,320
i believe five times in the last 12 000

726
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,279
years

727
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,039
and the debate that's well accepted the

728
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,480
debate is was that caused by volcanoes

729
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,880
or caused by potentially impacts

730
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,559
so we believe there was a tremendous

731
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,039
impact 13 000 years ago and the number

732
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,799
of subsequent ones that haven't been

733
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,279
accepted or acknowledged yet

734
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,000
and the noah flood

735
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,760
where do you believe that took place if

736
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,600
it truly took place

737
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,600
yeah we've got a kind of a related team

738
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,200
of researchers that's done more on that

739
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,640
and they believe the 8 000 um year ago

740
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,360
event or 6000 bc where there's a

741
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,600
well-defined climate crash then

742
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,200
could have been caused by an impact in

743
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,440
the indian ocean

744
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,279
and not only would have that caused

745
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,440
havoc in the nearby middle east but it

746
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,559
would have

747
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,880
lofted tremendous amounts of water into

748
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,400
the atmosphere

749
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,559
and that helps explain how you could

750
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,360
have

751
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,279
probably not exactly but you you know

752
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,279
mythologically reported as having 40

753
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,000
days and 40 nights of rain

754
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,039
okay what about uh atlantis which i've

755
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,640
got pegged according to wikipedia at

756
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,120
6000 bc

757
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,480
um

758
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,320
yeah well a little bit well i don't know

759
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,640
why they have 6 000 because what plato

760
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,720
told us and that's the the the first

761
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,960
reporter of atlantis he said 9 000 years

762
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,080
before my own time okay and that was i

763
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,039
believe roughly 600 bc 500 or 600 bc

764
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,799
when he was around so you add the

765
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,799
numbers up and that matches the end of

766
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,880
the younger dryas

767
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,520
right so that's a hell of a coincidence

768
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,600
when you take forensic investigations

769
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,200
like we've been doing

770
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,480
that

771
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,200
suggest or we we believe provide proof

772
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:33,840
and evidence that there was an impact 12

773
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,440
000 years ago and then you look at plato

774
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,120
with no such tools

775
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,679
reporting from oral tradition

776
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,919
that at the same time or he probably was

777
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,520
describing the end of it so it had been

778
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,480
1200 years there was a 1200 year climate

779
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,159
crash after the younger driest event

780
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,000
that's what defines the younger driest

781
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,480
climate period is 1200 years of

782
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,799
absolutely frigid global cold and that

783
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,200
is well accepted it would have been 25

784
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:00,840
degrees cooler in the northern

785
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,880
hemisphere for 1200 long miserable years

786
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,760
and then we pop out of it instantly

787
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,200
right 11 600 years ago and that time

788
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,080
matches exactly when plato

789
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,520
said that

790
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,200
that an island civilization became

791
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,240
submerged

792
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,200
but you know in the in the writings and

793
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,640
you know in our presentations and

794
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,159
whatnot we kind of

795
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,559
we got enough to handle with the with

796
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,080
the the impact

797
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,440
right and that's controversial enough

798
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,520
so we don't address directly what i call

799
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,919
precursor civilizations atlantis and

800
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,120
anybody that would have had high

801
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,720
technology obviously there were people

802
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,240
around the clovis people for instance

803
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,320
but were there people with greater

804
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,240
understanding sophistication and higher

805
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
culture there very well may have been

806
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,000
but we don't address that in their pa in

807
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,159
the papers because the evidence is scans

808
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,840
the scant first of all

809
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:53,039
and

810
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,080
you kind of got to stick to your

811
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,080
knitting which is a catastrophe but the

812
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,200
catastrophe being proven provides a lot

813
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,480
of ammunition to the atlantis believers

814
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,600
like randall carlson and graham hancock

815
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,880
right

816
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,640
and and the believers would say that

817
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,399
this event

818
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,360
caused the oceans to rise and therefore

819
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,120
cover up this this

820
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,399
continent

821
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,679
or island

822
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:20,399
and um but then once we pull out of that

823
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:24,159
period why wouldn't it re-emerge

824
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,200
um

825
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,720
because you got a rising of the oceans

826
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,279
and then a receding i presume

827
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,039
at some point

828
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,880
yeah i'm not an expert in in making

829
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,399
their arguments

830
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,000
over atlantis

831
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,399
but uh you you have a tremendous rise of

832
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:41,120
sea level or actually

833
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,240
when the younger drive starts you

834
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,320
actually have a drop you have an initial

835
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:47,360
influx of water then things freeze back

836
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,159
up

837
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,320
for 1200 years a lot of that water is

838
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,640
locked back up and then you have another

839
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,679
melt water pulse 1200 years later when

840
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,360
the seas rise and i believe the

841
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,679
precursor civilization community say

842
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,559
that that's what what uh submerged those

843
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,640
lands it also has a tie-in to go beckley

844
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,600
tepee if you've come across that temple

845
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:08,960
in turkey

846
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,720
and that's the oldest acknowledged uh

847
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,760
cuban temple gathering place megalithic

848
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,200
large stone

849
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,080
construction location on earth and we

850
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,200
believe that that was actually uh

851
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:24,880
or elements of our team believed that

852
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,840
that was a a time stamp where the people

853
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,000
who had survived the catastrophe wanted

854
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,080
to memorialize it for

855
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,240
you know future generations many many

856
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,880
generations and that they actually

857
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,640
arranged that temple so that it would

858
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,559
suggest the date that we've been talking

859
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,919
about of 12 1280 uh

860
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,840
before now yeah

861
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,159
and are we in any particular period now

862
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,720
according to you guys as far as still

863
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,200
feeling the effect higher impact

864
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:55,760
yeah it's not nearly as great a threat

865
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,720
okay but it's a little bit like uh

866
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,480
traffic jim

867
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,559
in that you have the torrid meteor

868
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,720
stream which causes two meteor showers a

869
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:06,799
year in late june

870
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,840
early july and then in late october

871
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,279
early november

872
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:13,919
and we encounter that stream

873
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,200
of disintegrating comet material and we

874
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,679
know it is the tar ed meteor shower

875
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,519
uh there's particularly a group of

876
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,679
astronomers that for 40 or 50 years in

877
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,240
in great britain that have argued that

878
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,039
that has been the source of

879
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,279
multiple impacts through the ages

880
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,039
and that when we identified the younger

881
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,039
driest impact

882
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,760
that that would have been the first very

883
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,760
bad bad day that we had from the

884
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,720
disintegration of the um the tarid

885
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,080
meteor comet which you actually call

886
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,559
comet inky so you would have had a we

887
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:49,519
estimate a 60 mile wide comet coming to

888
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,880
the solar system about 20 000 years ago

889
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,720
then it becomes it begins to

890
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,399
disintegrate

891
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,320
now it's all you know down to little

892
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,279
bits

893
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,600
we hope all most of it

894
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,000
and that earlier in its stages of

895
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,519
disintegration there was a lot more

896
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,240
large material so if you think about us

897
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,240
passing into this meteor stream twice a

898
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,480
year it's a little bit like someone with

899
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,880
a blindfold walking across a highway

900
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,480
into traffic

901
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,320
if you think about it most the time

902
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,760
probably not in southern california but

903
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,320
around here on your you know uh

904
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,880
smaller cities uh traffic most the time

905
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,080
you can walk across the highway and

906
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,919
you're probably gonna make it across

907
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,039
there might be some near misses right

908
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,760
but if you go hit it during rush hour

909
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,880
they're going to be a lot more cars

910
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,840
you're going to hit they're also going

911
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,679
to be some trucks in there

912
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,600
and that's what we believe

913
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,559
happens when we have these

914
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,720
larger periods of trauma is you're

915
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,960
hitting a particularly enhanced part of

916
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,200
the target meteor stream but fortunately

917
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,600
that stuff is disintegrating okay and

918
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,880
you're going to have less and less

919
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,399
danger of it

920
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,320
when was the last time you believed we

921
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,600
were hit by anything of any size

922
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,000
well we know the last time was in 1908

923
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,840
in siberia and that's very relevant

924
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,960
that's called the tunguska impact

925
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,320
and that leveled 1 000 square miles of

926
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,640
tundra in siberia

927
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,399
absolutely leveled it knocked down every

928
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,519
tree

929
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,840
and also produced some of the same

930
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,480
evidence that we find at the black mat

931
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,760
particularly in the microspherules okay

932
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,919
and that when you encounter these heat

933
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,840
this kind of heat it could be 3000

934
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,279
degrees centigrade

935
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,760
and it also whips with the concussion of

936
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,919
the explosion of the object

937
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,399
it lifts both the

938
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,080
soil and the material on the earth today

939
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,320
mixes it with the material from the

940
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,279
impactor and it vaporizes

941
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,840
both silicates and metallics parts of

942
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,799
the soil that that turns into a vapor

943
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,399
that vapor

944
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,960
freezes if you will it's molten for a

945
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,440
moment and freezes in these little tiny

946
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,080
bits and that falls back and creates a

947
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,760
layer they found that at ten gospels so

948
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,919
that was in 1908 and that would wipe out

949
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:06,000
a city now and how big an object was

950
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,279
that

951
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,200
i think they say it's like 150 200

952
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,520
meters so not terribly big but we you

953
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,440
could see hundreds of those when you

954
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:15,839
encounter a particular parts of the

955
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,240
torah meteor stream uh at particular

956
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,359
times

957
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,800
on those bad weekends when you're

958
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,440
walking across certain rush hour

959
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,119
when you're walking across that highway

960
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,399
right so 150 meters wide and that ended

961
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,480
up impacting how large an area

962
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,960
um a thousand square kilometers

963
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,679
wow devastated it knocked every single

964
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,560
tree flat and incinerated them yeah

965
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,520
um

966
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,480
the extinction again uh forgive me for

967
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,720
relying on wikipedia but uh

968
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,520
woolly mammoth yeah they've they've got

969
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,200
i guess maybe there's multiple species

970
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,960
of woolly mammoth but you know according

971
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,639
to the the most commonly accepted is

972
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,440
that it went extinct 2000 bc

973
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,040
yeah that's right like i said we're not

974
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,960
saying that in an instant all of these

975
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,800
animals disappeared

976
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,280
right but it was so traumatic that no

977
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,359
one disputes that the mammoth begins a

978
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,160
severe decline and in fact

979
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,640
regionally becomes extinct 12 000 years

980
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,800
ago but there were certainly holdouts

981
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,359
around the world and and those the last

982
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:17,040
remaining mammoths remember what i said

983
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,800
about them taking larger things out and

984
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,320
it probably is related to that same

985
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,520
phenomenon

986
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,920
but one way or another the pygmy mammoth

987
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,079
survived smaller myths

988
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,440
so even during the times of the

989
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,040
egyptians that time period you just

990
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,480
pointed out you know two or three

991
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,160
thousand bc during the time of the

992
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,079
construction of the pyramids there were

993
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,640
still mammoth remaining on wrangle

994
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,119
island north of siberia in the arctic

995
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,240
ocean

996
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,839
right so there were some holdouts there

997
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,320
was some refugia they call it where you

998
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,640
know there were some leftovers so and is

999
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,400
there anything in particular that caused

1000
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,119
their final extinction

1001
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,359
uh probably human hunting one sort or

1002
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,520
another or just the natural decline of

1003
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,359
the population finally reached an end

1004
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,599
point i don't think that they claim on

1005
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,440
wrangle island they did but but we

1006
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,599
believe that the humans that were left

1007
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,560
over

1008
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,119
might have helped uh accentuate the

1009
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,599
extinction that was already underway

1010
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,599
right so the clovis people or whatever

1011
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,359
the others that were left would have

1012
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,280
would have hunted the rest of them to

1013
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:17,440
extinction possibly and i had the

1014
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,040
sabretooth tiger at 8 000 b.c

1015
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,000
that's right

1016
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,760
they were thriving before 12 000 years

1017
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,839
ago and go into severe decline about

1018
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,160
that time i've got a saber-toothed tiger

1019
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,119
skull right there actually oh wow yeah

1020
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:35,920
and why would that species have gone

1021
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,720
extinct compared to others

1022
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,640
yeah you could have a loss of genetic

1023
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,240
diversity you could have a change in

1024
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,079
their food source

1025
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:46,160
you could have a you know other climate

1026
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,280
down

1027
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,000
periods you know we're losing um species

1028
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,520
today now and you could have had human

1029
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,520
honey for the same reason that probably

1030
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,440
not of the saber-tooth but again brought

1031
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,599
on originally by the younger driest

1032
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,720
that's right

1033
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,720
the reducing the population of them

1034
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,400
significantly to the point where they're

1035
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,880
becoming endangered that's right

1036
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,880
and then through some combination of

1037
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,119
factors that is still to be determined

1038
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,520
um they eventually blinked out but you

1039
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,200
need something you know we can't explain

1040
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,359
everything in absolute detail for how

1041
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,119
this played out because there's simply

1042
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,480
enough research being done in it and

1043
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,000
we'll probably spend many generations

1044
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,800
trying to puzzle it all out but but the

1045
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,359
the key thing to know is that all of

1046
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,839
these processes were set

1047
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,560
uh in motion at the same time 12 000

1048
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,839
years ago

1049
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,240
and you find indications all over the

1050
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,920
northern hemisphere and parts of the

1051
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:37,760
southern hemisphere that that was a

1052
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,359
dramatic time and we don't accept that

1053
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,240
right we we we leave that mystery as a

1054
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,520
mystery and that's why it's appropriate

1055
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,520
to be on the hidden truth show because

1056
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,200
th this is a truth

1057
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,280
that isn't accepted because of a

1058
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,200
long-standing scientific debate you know

1059
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:54,720
that goes back to the

1060
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,200
18th and 19th century between

1061
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,320
uniformitarians that believe all

1062
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,920
geological processes that we see

1063
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:04,160
operating today calls everything we see

1064
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
today

1065
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,800
and catastrophists

1066
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,480
and the catastrophes were obviously

1067
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,160
related to the faithful back in that

1068
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:11,839
time they were going from the bible and

1069
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,599
going from the deluge and as more uh

1070
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,240
rational empirical science you know came

1071
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:19,359
into

1072
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,000
they properly rejected a lot of the

1073
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,800
biblical received wisdom right

1074
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:30,000
and but then they totally rejected it

1075
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:30,960
so

1076
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:35,359
i just mentioned as being part of the

1077
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,040
research or that the flood etc uh was

1078
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,599
caused by god and then you are becoming

1079
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,359
an empirical

1080
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,960
rational evidence-based researcher

1081
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,560
you're going to reject anybody anything

1082
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,119
that you that is supposedly god driven

1083
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,920
right so they rejected the catastrophist

1084
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,720
explanations when actually although it

1085
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,480
was embedded in the faith

1086
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,560
they're very physical means for those

1087
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,640
things to happen and they're actually

1088
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,720
physical evidence that those things did

1089
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,359
happen but we're still suffering from

1090
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,280
having tossed away kind of thrown out

1091
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,280
the baby with the bathwater

1092
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,920
and thrown out biblical knowledge with

1093
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,320
its understanding of catastrophism and

1094
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,320
we need to bring that back and mix it

1095
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,599
back in just like we did with the

1096
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,200
dinosaurs but understand that things

1097
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,680
happen more recently too

1098
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,680
and where do you stand on the issue of

1099
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,320
the perhaps ever having been even more

1100
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,520
intelligent life than humans today on

1101
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,000
earth that were wiped out by

1102
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,560
a cosmic event

1103
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,880
personally i'm open-minded to it and i

1104
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,200
believe graham hancock's onto something

1105
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,480
but it's going to be very very difficult

1106
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,520
to find the evidence right

1107
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,599
um we could get to your show last week

1108
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,160
but i'm a panspermist as well and i wish

1109
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,079
panspermia had come up on the on the

1110
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,760
recent show i heard about the evolution

1111
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,960
of humans and

1112
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:55,040
and and how things jumped ahead and i

1113
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:55,920
remember he was talking about the

1114
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,560
cambrian explosion etcetera we'll touch

1115
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,720
on it real quickly because the headline

1116
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,720
from from that was him making the point

1117
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,200
that he doesn't believe that evolution

1118
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,480
can explain the existence of humans he

1119
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,960
doesn't think that based on

1120
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,280
his analysis or various scientists that

1121
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,319
evolution

1122
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,240
moves quick enough to have developed

1123
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,319
humans on earth yeah well i probably

1124
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,720
don't need to dig a deeper hole with the

1125
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,200
skeptics but uh on a personal basis i'm

1126
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,880
involved you know with another research

1127
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,680
group uh uh mr chandra wickramasinghe

1128
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,079
who worked with sir fred hoyle who was

1129
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,520
the preeminent scientist in great

1130
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,800
britain in the 50s 60s and 70s and

1131
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,040
chandra and sir fred proposed in the

1132
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,800
early 70s

1133
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,880
that

1134
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,520
life on earth isn't a closed system

1135
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,079
and that we're receiving microbial input

1136
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,839
from space all the time that includes

1137
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,200
dna

1138
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,000
and that actually life is absolutely

1139
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,640
abundant and comets in fact

1140
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,760
are boiling cauldrons of life and

1141
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,040
viruses

1142
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,960
and they went out and looked uh at the

1143
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,839
spectra of galactic clouds that we would

1144
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,640
call you know dust clouds out you know

1145
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,599
um

1146
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:10,000
in uh interstellar space

1147
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,440
they looked at that spectrum you know

1148
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,280
what that spectra matches jim when you

1149
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,119
look at the the the light feature and

1150
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:16,400
the nature of the light that's coming

1151
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,520
from there

1152
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,800
e coli

1153
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,560
exactly

1154
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,319
right so they've got graphs that show

1155
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,880
what equalized light looks like

1156
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,040
and they believe and frankly i believe

1157
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,079
as well that microbial life in a

1158
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,599
desiccated

1159
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,079
hibernated form not talking about living

1160
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,240
things actually living now floating out

1161
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,440
in space

1162
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,680
um unentombed

1163
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,319
but within well actually entombed within

1164
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,920
cosmic dust

1165
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,119
that

1166
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,319
those forms of life uh including things

1167
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,079
that like diatoms and whatnot i'll give

1168
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,200
you some more evidence on that in a

1169
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,960
moment

1170
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,280
could survive by being entombed in a

1171
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,359
piece of cosmic dust

1172
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,160
okay and it wouldn't destroy their dna

1173
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,640
and their uh life processes and that's

1174
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,720
been proved the tardigrade little little

1175
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,720
tiny thing called a water bear which is

1176
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,560
found all over the earth

1177
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,319
they've taken those nasa hats and

1178
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,880
exposed them to interstellar space put

1179
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,040
them on the outside of the space station

1180
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,359
and those little buggers survive so what

1181
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,520
that suggests is if we had an impact in

1182
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,920
the earth and it launched including

1183
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,839
things and these aren't even microbial i

1184
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,400
mean they're visible under you know

1185
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,880
low power microscopes and it launches

1186
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,319
that stuff out into space a lot of that

1187
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,680
stuff would survive

1188
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,760
so there's no reason to believe

1189
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,119
that over

1190
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,079
uh galactic time scales that there isn't

1191
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,119
vast transfers of that material and that

1192
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,640
would include dna and that probably all

1193
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,240
forms of life we see on the earth are

1194
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,400
reflected somewhere else

1195
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,400
and that that dna and material is

1196
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,839
floating around i'll give you an example

1197
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,520
you know the russians

1198
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,760
tested the outside of the space station

1199
00:43:00,670 --> 00:42:58,640
i believe it was six times between about

1200
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,680
2013 and

1201
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,400
2017

1202
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,440
and actually swipe the window

1203
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,880
on the outside of the space station or

1204
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,079
one of the windows maybe it's the big

1205
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,359
one that you sometimes see them looking

1206
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,430
and then brought that material back to

1207
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,800
earth

1208
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,680
and

1209
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,640
it was

1210
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,960
filled with bacteria

1211
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,040
and diatoms

1212
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,760
there was actually a scum

1213
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,200
of

1214
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,280
formally living living material on the

1215
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,880
outside of the space station that's damn

1216
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,280
hard to explain and the only way they

1217
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,359
were able to explain it without using

1218
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,760
the work of of fred and chandra

1219
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,880
was that

1220
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,160
that material had been lofted by some

1221
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,440
mechanism yet understood from the earth

1222
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:45,920
into the orbit of the space station and

1223
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,880
had covered it then

1224
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,680
so

1225
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,240
that suggests that if that can happen

1226
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,319
why wouldn't it float further into space

1227
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,079
or move further out into the solar

1228
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
system or other

1229
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,440
solar systems and other you know parts

1230
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,119
of our galaxy

1231
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,960
to to feed

1232
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,839
life

1233
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:04,640
in

1234
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,000
and galactic transfer

1235
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,280
of genetic and life material that we

1236
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,160
don't acknowledge yet

1237
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,079
and then what about the issue of

1238
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,800
evolution because either way

1239
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,760
whether we ultimately evolved from these

1240
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,200
microbes or whatever you call them that

1241
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,960
came from out of space making all of us

1242
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,480
essentially aliens

1243
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,119
or alien life but still you need enough

1244
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,119
time for that to evolve on earth is it

1245
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,560
your view that there has been enough

1246
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,520
time i think it's assisted by panspermic

1247
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,119
processes that there's no question

1248
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,960
evolution is in place and i am not

1249
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,680
opposed to darwinian evolution

1250
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:47,680
as generally understood i just think it

1251
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,599
it needs an amendment to accept the fact

1252
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,800
that um evolution is a galactic

1253
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,480
phenomenon

1254
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,520
and that the evolved pieces of that it

1255
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,599
may evolve someplace more quickly or

1256
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,680
some places older so it's had longer to

1257
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,720
evolve

1258
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,520
but parts of those genes and those

1259
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,160
processes make it to other places and

1260
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:13,040
influence the evolution here for

1261
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,319
instance the

1262
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,480
octopus and the

1263
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,040
appears very very suddenly

1264
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,240
in the geological or the animal record

1265
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,240
it didn't have time to evolve

1266
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,280
there's a wonderful piece uh

1267
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,560
written up whether it was a paper and

1268
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,800
then a great follow-up article did deep

1269
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,359
article in cosmos explaining all of this

1270
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,040
but but um

1271
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,119
our panspermic team actually believes

1272
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,960
that that you could have been seated

1273
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,480
with the octopus

1274
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,680
and it could have

1275
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,000
grown here after it came in in cosmic

1276
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
material now i know that stuff's hard to

1277
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,440
believe but remember there's a lot of

1278
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,119
stuff floating around out there we're

1279
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,560
talking about it earlier and you think

1280
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,240
of it as lifeless

1281
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,800
but no one has ever directly tested

1282
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,480
these propositions

1283
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,480
but again if you indirectly test them

1284
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,400
through spectra and whatnot

1285
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,960
um you can see indications that the the

1286
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,880
there's more life out there or there is

1287
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,319
life out there that we don't acknowledge

1288
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,839
you know we haven't tested this yeah go

1289
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,680
ahead sorry and the octopus would have

1290
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,720
arrived here in what form

1291
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,319
um probably is ova you know as that that

1292
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,160
some portion of them that only takes a

1293
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,839
few right

1294
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,920
could have come in and then rebirth

1295
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,359
themselves if you will now i know this

1296
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,040
sounds like crazy crazy stuff i should

1297
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,720
give you a good citation so people could

1298
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,520
go dig back in because it's frozen

1299
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,720
a frozen

1300
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,640
octopus egg essentially yeah there you

1301
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:34,319
go

1302
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,720
the time scales you're dealing with

1303
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,560
you know we give ourselves

1304
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,960
uh we say well my gosh we've had you

1305
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,800
know 800 million years or 400 million

1306
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,319
years or when you were talking last week

1307
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,920
you know you go back and find life going

1308
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,760
back 2 billion years

1309
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,880
we say

1310
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,760
we

1311
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,839
accept that that must be enough time to

1312
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,119
evolve

1313
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,480
okay why isn't it also easily accepted

1314
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,480
that if

1315
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,800
it shows a a a tremendous

1316
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:04,720
self-centeredness jim

1317
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,319
to say that life began here okay and

1318
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,240
it's interesting people will sooner

1319
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,319
believe that aliens will enter people's

1320
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,520
bedrooms and probe them right then they

1321
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,160
will believe what i told you about

1322
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,960
microbial life being entombed in cosmic

1323
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,559
dust and floating around they say that's

1324
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,200
crazy talk but a significant percentage

1325
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:27,119
of those people believe that they're

1326
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,400
actually

1327
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,040
aliens and maybe there are

1328
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,119
driving little craft around and coming

1329
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,079
into people's bedrooms at night right i

1330
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,720
find that a hell of a lot harder to

1331
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,839
believe

1332
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,839
perhaps it's possible but harder to

1333
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,720
believe

1334
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,920
that there there might be uh microbial

1335
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,359
and other

1336
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,440
undeveloped fully developed fully

1337
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,160
birthed etc life forms that are

1338
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,280
transferring um out in the cosmos as a

1339
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,440
general matter yeah and that's known as

1340
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,520
panspermia it's easily looked up thank

1341
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,280
you again to george howard thank you to

1342
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,119
our producer michael parker thank you

1343
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,880
all for listening we'll be back soon

1344
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:06,559
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1346
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